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I’ve been asked how to post a question about Cowboy Bebop on the blog.
Well, that’s a good question! I haven’t found a good way of setting up general comments not related to a specific posting, so I’m going to try to use this posting. I made this sticky so it will stay at the top of the main page and easily found.
Got something to say or ask? Please feel free to comment on this posting. If it’s something I can’t answer, I’m sure there is a reader out there who can.
See you Space Cowboy…
When I installed the poll plugin, it came with a poll, “How is my site?” I hadn’t posted it, relying on it showing up as a random poll on the left sidebar, if a reader wanted to vote when it came up they could.
Maybe I should give everyone the opportunity to let me know what you think of the site. I think it can be improved (there’s little out there that can’t, I think), but what do YOU think?
Curious minds want to know.
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I keep searching amazon.com for news of Cowboy Bebop on blu ray and found an entry where we can sign up to be notified of its release.
Does this mean it’s coming out on blu ray? No idea. I hope so! I signed up to be notified when (if?) it’s released. Anyone who is interested can sign up also.
EDIT: I just checked amazon.co.jp (ran it through google translate) and it’s there too to sign up to be notified of the release of Cowboy Bebop on blu ray.
There’s no image with it and from the sounds of things on the Japanese site, they haven’t started production on it yet. I believe it’s the series. Very little to no information at this point, but it never hurts to sign up to be notified.
 Card of Doom? In Ballad of Fallen Angels, the story begins with Spike shuffling a deck of cards. If you watch closely, you can see the bottom card is the Ace of Spades, and it remains there for as long as we are able to see the bottom card while he’s shuffling.
After he sets down the cards and leaves, Faye is sitting in the spot Spike just vacated. Jet storms off just before a call comes in for him from a musician informant alerting him to something big. A card falls to the floor as Jet storms off, Faye picks it up – the ace of spades.
At the end of this session, Faye whacks the injured Spike with a pillow, feathers and cards flying. He picks up and looks at the card that had landed on his head – the ace of spades.
What does this card MEAN anyway? In the minds of most people, it portends death, but is that ALL that it means?
The answer is decidedly no.
The ace of spades has multiple related meanings, death being only one. I have to admit to learning and practicing cartomancy (reading cards) using a standard deck of cards when I was young and foolish. This card means not only death, but challenges and change. Endings and beginnings. In fact, “death” – or physical death – is a very superficial and not entirely accurate description of the meaning for this card.
This is a tough subject to find references for, because the meanings of playing cards varies somewhat among different cultures and even societies. It’s also difficult because in this area, there aren’t many (if any!) objectively recognised authorities that one can quote and I no longer have my reference books. I can provide links, but most of this is based on my understanding of the ace of spades that I’ve had since I was a pre-teen.
Below are my understandings of the meanings associated with the ace of spades and what I think it means with respect to Cowboy Bebop.
http://www.guntheranderson.com/cards/feb97/lyle.htm
Essence: Karma. Manifestation: Imposing buildings, the authorities, institutions.
Interpretation: The Ace of Spades is known for being baleful and sinister, and there is certainly some basis for this reputation. It’s essential meaning links it with the ancient concept of karma and destiny, however. [In an interview in session #0 on the remix set, Mr Watanabe did say that Cowboy Bebop was about Spike's karma] Certain things must come into being, or pass away, for they are part of the larger pattern decreed by fate. In the ancient Greek worlds the three Fates (atropos, Clotho and Lachesis) answered to no one, but sat spinning the thread of destiny over which even the gods had no influence.
Similarly, the Ace of Spaces cannot lightly be dismissed. In its most positive manifestation it promises worldly power and influence, but at a price. Generally, it augurs a challenging phase ahead, in which obstacles must be overcome by the power of positive thinking, faith in oneself and, if necessary, a stoic acceptance of present difficulties and reversals of fortune. This is not a good time to initiate any kind of legal battle, nor to expect a favorable outcome to any kind of dispute.
Reversed: Fundamentally, the Ace of Spades reversed warns of negative thinking, depression, and lethargy in the face of apparently insurmountable obstacles. A serious reassessment of life is required if the damage is to be limited and curtailed. Unexpected difficulties and hidden enemies may surface at this time. Caution is advised in all things; this is a time of decay. However, do not worry – decay is eventually followed by renewal and regeneration.
The card that Spike and Faye both looked at was not reversed (upside down), so I include the ‘reversed’ paragraph for completeness. In this case, the second paragraph I think fits in with Ballad of Fallen Angels in that neither Faye nor Spike had the favorable outcome that they desired – Faye didn’t get the bounty for Mao that she was after, Spike failed to kill Vicious. Both had challenges ahead and obstacles that needed to be overcome by “…the power of positive thinking, faith in oneself and, if necessary, a stoic acceptance of present difficulties and reversals of fortune.”
There is also http://www.guntheranderson.com/cards/feb97/lyle.htm. Here is what it says about the ace:
Ace – 1) When the Apex or point of the Spade points up in the reading it means a conclusion, an ending. Considered the Death Card, meaning the death of circumstances, not people, 90% of the time. Remember, with death, there is always a new beginning. Death in reading cards is a door offering a new beginning. 2) Apex pointing down: The card is telling you about someone or something at a distance, not in this location, usually quite far away.
Then for me there is the most interesting of interpretations can be found in http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_tattoo_of_the_ace_of_spades_mean
The Ace of Spades is traditionally symbolic of two things, which themselves are often linked. Those two things are Metamorphosis and Death.
To flip over the Ace of Spades in any kind of card reading is to get a warning of impending death – whether it be your own or someone linked to you. However – it doesn’t always have to be a literal death – it could be a death of a certain self, or a phase of life, thus opening to path to a new existence or new identity.
This is important. I’ve had people tell me that because Spike picked up the ace of spades, that’s a foreshadowing of his death. Not necessarily. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say “no.”
The card CAN mean physical death, but if it does, it’s not necessarily the physical death of the person who gets the card. It could portend the death of someone close to the card’s recipient. For Spike, this goes without saying – Mao, Annie, Julia were all close to him and they all died. For Faye, her whole family and everything she knew but temporarily forgot was dead and gone.
As far as transformations, endings, beginnings, metamorphoses go…
Faye got her memories back. She remembered her past life and the hollow shell that had been walking around for the three years since her revival from cryosleep was transformed into a whole human being.
Spike answered the challenge of the past of his that was shooting at him and his friends, effectively putting it all to an end when he killed Vicious. There was a death, but a death of his past life – for REAL this time. Everything tying him to the past he tried to escape was gone, effectively ending it totally. There was an end. The end of Spike’s former life in the syndicate and all ties to it. Of course, the end of Spike’s ties with the syndicate coincided with the end of the story, the end of Cowboy Bebop.
For myself, if I’m going to try to interpret the meaning of the ace of spades with respect to Cowboy Bebop, I’m inclined to use the ‘metamorphosis’ meaning, which would be consistent with the use of butterflies in the Cowboy Bebop movie, as I wrote about in Heaven’s door, dreams and butterflies a few months ago.
Standard disclaimer – I can’t say this is what they were thinking when they wrote in the ace of spades (or even the butterflies for that matter). This is what it means to me. Your mileage may vary.
On one of the message boards I hang out on it was asked why there wasn’t more Cowboy Bebop fanfiction.
It looks like there’s quite a bit out there and as a service to my readers, I’m adding a link category for it – in case someone wants to read them, they can find them.
I have to admit I haven’t read too many of them. Most of the story descriptions I’m seeing are making the assumption that Spike died at the end of Real Folk Blues and there are a LOT of them that focus on that. Anybody who reads this blog know I disagree with that conclusion, and I’ve looked at a couple but it’s not something I would read.
Quite a bit of Faye and Spike pairing (and some Faye and Jet if it’s post RFB). That doesn’t interest me either so I’ve read very few of those.
For those who like those stories, you’ll find them linked into the Fan Fiction (External) category. I won’t be writing anything like that, so… Enjoy.
Needless to say, I haven’t read many of the fics linked into this category so I won’t vouch for quality (or conclusions they reach, heheheh). This is just to help my readers find them if they like those stories.
I also have a link to Bad Fanfic, No Biscuit that discusses quality control of fan fiction and some common mistakes that are made by fanfic writers. I thought I would include it because there is stuff in there that I feel like I need to know and remember.
I think I already know the answer to this, but still have to ask.
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 Raising the roof EDITED to add image.
Something was brought up on the imdb.com Cowboy Bebop message board that has me wondering now.
Spike is storming the Red Dragon headquarters, going after Vicious. He gets off the elevator on the top floor, where Vicious is and runs down the hallway towards the “throne room” (as I call it) where he was holed up waiting for him.
The camera at one point is a low shot following his running feet from behind.
The camera (and, presumably Spike, from his POV) approaches the door, the camera zooms in on it, then the door opens to darkness, then there is a shot of the roof blowing off.
In the next shot you see smoke clearing, then it cuts to Spike walking into the ruined room, Vicious saying “So, you are finally awake.” Then it cuts to Vicious at the top of the stairs, looking like he was on his hands and knees. He stands up and the scene continues from there.
One thing I have to question about that blast. The blast looked pretty big from the aerial view of the roof. Why weren’t those stairs and the entire room destroyed? Why was Vicious still alive? He was in the room, and by all appearances was at the top of those stairs – and closest to the blast – when the roof exploded.
Spike may or may not have been in the room when the bomb went off (in fact it doesn’t look like he was, but who knows?). They didn’t show him throwing a grenade into the room – he’s running towards the door, the double doors open into blackness, then BOOM.
I have no idea what happened here.
1. Did Spike throw a grenade into the room in an effort to quickly finish off Vicious?
2. Was the room booby trapped? If so, by whom? Enemies of Vicious or Vicious himself to protect himself from Spike, who he KNEW was coming for him?
3. Why was Vicious still alive?
I’d ask the same about Spike, but it’s not clear if he was even in the room when the explosion occurred.
All this time I had assumed Spike threw a grenade or other explosive device into the room before entering, and with all the charges he detonated on his way up there, it makes sense that that’s what happened. I’m not positive this is what happened, especially after that shot of the roof exploding and Vicious in the now roofless room, still alive.
If anyone has any theories, I’d like to hear them. I have no clue.
This is something I had been thinking about for a while, then my friend Zealous came up with a similar idea. Looks like I had to write it. Three fics later, here it is. Requiem for a Dream
I don’t want to say too much about it here, not wanting to give too much away. I read through it a number of times trying to get wording right and misspellings and typos fixed. Naturally I missed stuff, so I may have to go back and fix what I missed. Since I don’t think I’ll ever be completely satisfied with how things are worded, I’ll just let it go and hope it’s ok. I do appreciate critical feedback – do I need to work on my prose? Does my grammar suck? Stories need work? Please let me know.
One of my favorite things about this particular story is we get to see Martin Holt again. I love this guy way too much. In case I neglected to show y’all my inspiration, for the character here he is:
 Marty Holt, based on Michael Weston Think ‘Lucas’ from “House MD.” and that’s how I think of Holt.
 Vicious Not a lot is known about Vicious, sad to say. Anime Guide #1 says about him: Vicious was once Spike’s good friend and comrade. So why is it that they hate each other so much that they would press their weapons against each other, and not hesitate to use them?” It also says of him: “An executive of the “Red Dragons.” Hating Mao Yenrai’s moderate way of doing things, he takes out Mao with brute force. He gets ahead with his sword-arm. He seems to be Spike’s old enemy. He always has a bird with him.”
Anime Guide #3 says: “An executive of the Red Dragons, the largest syndicate on Mars. Had a rivalry with Spike over a woman named Julia. A radical who harbors dissatisfaction with the conservative higher ranks.”
My conclusion regarding Vicious: He primarily wanted control of the Red Dragon, to continue the killing he had enjoyed before. Mao and the elders had to die because they lost their fangs by moderating. Spike left the syndicate, so he too had lost his fangs and had to die. The elders by moderating were deemed ‘corpses’ and Vicious vowed to slaughter them himself in Jupiter Jazz.
Spike and Vicious’ girlfriend Julia falling in love certainly didn’t help his disposition, but MY feeling is that Vicious took this out more on Julia than Spike. I think Vicious’ motivations against Spike were more complex than just his fury over his lover Julia falling in love with his best friend.
To elaborate…
Spike:
We first saw Vicious in session #5, Ballad of Fallen Angels where Vicious kills Mao and the leader of the White Tiger with whom Mao had just signed an agreement. As he died, Mao told Vicious “Only if… S-Spike returned…someone like you would…” Vicious only smiles.
The Red Dragon and other syndicates were moderating as we find out here, and in following sessions. Stop the bloody warfare and start working together. As Vicious stated to Spike in Ballad of Fallen Angels, Mao was a beast who lost his fangs and that’s why he’s dead, “The same goes for you.” Near the end of their confrontation at the cathedral, Vicious asks Spike if he knows what his face looks like right now. Then he tells him “The same blood runs in you and me. The blood of a beast who wanders, desiring the blood of others.” Spike tells him he’s bled all that blood away, then Vicious asks him why he’s still alive. He stabs as Spike shoots.
So Vicious is telling Spike that he is a beast desiring the blood of others. Spike tells him he’s not that person any more, and Vicious says “then why are you still alive?” If Spike isn’t the beast desiring the blood of others like Vicious is, then he should be dead and tries to kill him.
This tells me that maybe Vicious was motivated not only by Julia’s falling in love with Spike, but from his own blood lust. He was a man of an earlier age, just like Udai Taxim, Jet’s old enemy we met in Black Dog Serenade. He was too old fashioned in a way, to be able to get along in the changing world. We know less about Taxim than we do about Vicious, but this tells me that Vicious is not one who would go along peacefully with a move to moderate. No. Vicious wanted blood. I think he just liked killing people and would consider any moves that would eliminate the bloodshed to be weakness to be destroyed. He was a predator, he said so himself. If one wasn’t a predator, then one is without fangs, is weak, and therefore to be killed.
Spike had faked his death to get out of the Red Dragon, but not everyone believed he was dead (only Annie was shocked to see him alive, in fact). Vicious wanted to run the Red Dragon the way HE wanted it to be run, calling the elders ‘corpses’ and saying that he’d have to slaughter them himself in Jupiter Jazz. He even told Lin that his attitude of acting for the honor of the Red Dragon made him nauseous.
It’s also not explicitly stated in the series, but only implied that Spike was the designated successor to Mao (Jupiter Jazz I when Vicious is told he does not have permission to make his own decisions and he would not be leader of the syndicate). Anime Guide#1 states that Mao (and implicitly, the Elders) wanted Spike to succeed him in the leadership of the Red Dragon. As long as Spike is alive (and as long as the Elders believe he’s alive), Vicious would not have any control over the syndicate. Spike is a beast who has lost his fangs who was given control of the syndicate in the event of Mao’s death. Mao is now dead at Vicious’ hand, and in Real Folk Blues, Spike is all that stands in the way of Vicious’ taking control once he had killed off the elders.
Julia:
Spike’s relationship with Julia was I think only part of his motivation for wanting to kill Spike. To listen to Vicious talk to Spike – he barely mentioned Julia to him except to tell him that Julia had been there in Blue Crow. This was after what some consider douchebaggery on Spike’s part when he asked Vicious if he was seeing Julia behind his back. Gren later mentioned Julia to Vicious when he told him that Julia was suspicious of he music box that Vicious had given to him. I loved the look on Vicious’ face when Gren told him this. He was NOT happy.
When Spike was planning on leaving the syndicate, Vicious got wind of their plans and held a gun to Julia’s head, telling her that he was the only one keeping her alive. He gave her an ultimatum – meet Spike at the designated time and place and kill him and she would live. If she didn’t, she and Spike would both die. Of course Julia never met Spike, she ran. Vicious was definitely hunting her. In Jupiter Jazz, it was stated she was there two years prior and had been befriended by Gren. The bartender told Jet that she left suddenly before the month was out. Vicious is the one who told Spike that she had been there in Blue Crow on Callisto. How would he have known she was there if he hadn’t been hunting her? In Real Folk Blues, it was Shin who warned her that it wasn’t safe, that the elders were on the move. I believe Vicious had been hunting her, most likely to kill her, but Shin (and/or other friends of Spike) were watching over here, warning her if Vicious or his men got too close.
I think Vicious was hunting Julia to avenge her leaving him for his best friend. He also hated Spike for that, but from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t appear to be his primary motivation for wanting him dead.
To sum up:
Based on what I saw on screen (and the tiny bit found in the anime guides), Vicious was a guy who had no feelings of honor or loyalty towards anyone or anything but himself and his own bloody ideals. Mao and presumably the elders wanted Spike to succeed Mao in the leadership of the moderating Red Dragon. Spike would have gone along with moderation. Vicious would have killed Spike had he stayed, even if he and Julia hadn’t fallen in love.
There is a new widget on the left that will display a random poll. One of them is this one, the other is a generic, pre-made poll that came with the plugin. I thought, what the heck….
Anyway, here is my first poll for this blog, what to you think is Spike’s ethnicity?
Should be interesting – Too bad it doesn’t have a mechanism for followup questions, but then it would be a survey. Maybe I should have held off and tried to create surveys on this thing.
Oh well, if someone is moved to comment on their vote and let us know how they voted and if they are caucasian, Japanese, Asian, African or other, that would be too awesome for words!
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 Who IS this guy? Never fails. I sat there forever trying to think if there was anything else for my previous random posting and I did miss one. That’s fine, because this question merits its own posting.
I should start another poll – “Spike Spiegel: is that his REAL name?” I can’t believe it would be – if he used his real name he’d be so easily found by the syndicate it isn’t funny.
I mean, when he was born, did his parents name him Spike? Or is it a nickname, like… oh, I don’t know… Vicious? I’m not going to get into whether Vicious was HIS real name (not right now at any rate), but yeah, I’m wondering.
Spike almost sounds like a nickname to me. Sometimes nicknames replace our given names if we use them often enough. It’s certain he was known as “Spike” in the syndicate. Vicious calls him by name when they first meet up (again) in the cathedral, “Isn’t that right, Spike?” and even Lin calls him by name when they meet up on Callisto in Jupiter Jazz, “Spike-san!” Even Mao’s dying words was wishing Spike was there. Yeah, the Red Dragon knew him as Spike.
What’s really at question is his last name, Spiegel. I’ve seen fans speculating that he was German, or Jewish. What I’m wondering is, why anyone would assume that’s his real name. Wouldn’t he have changed it when he left the syndicate? Anime Guide #1 says that bounty hunters need to be licensed, but that the rule isn’t strictly enforced. Knowing Jet, it’s pretty certain he’d be licensed and I think he’d want Spike to be licensed too. Wouldn’t the ISSP have a file on him if he used that name in the syndicate? And wouldn’t it get back to the Red Dragon that their Spike IS alive and just ran away?
I can’t find the reference, but Shinichiro Watanabe said they picked Spiegel because it sounded cool (maybe disputed the thought that Spike was Jewish – I can’t find the reference, so I’m not going to say that he did). Maybe that’s why Spike picked Spiegel as his last name, because it sounded cool.
What I’m thinking. ‘Spike’ is most likely a nickname, but he could have been given that at birth (I’m not sure I care either way on this point). Who knows? His REAL birth name could be Toshihiro (after his designer) or even Shinichiro (after the director). Or it could have been Bob, if one likes to think he was a caucasian – but no, having watched the first two seasons of Twin Peaks, I’d say Vicious would be more a Bob than Spike.
Whatever his given name was at birth, I’m pretty certain that Spiegel is an assumed name with a new identity he set up for himself when he left the Red Dragon. Your mileage may vary.
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